Police Accountability

Yes. Just making sure that we're just because we're just bringing you up to speed, basically, on everything that hasn't changed while you've been away. Um I said I was going to get to this earlier. This is the business of the Fonterra document in the Prime Minister's office and the climate law. Now, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm only mildly interested in this. And I say this as somebody who is quite interested in politics and has worked in the press gallery and cares about the official information act, right? Mildly interested in this. This doesn't really tickle me very much. Um, the latest thing is that yes, the document was in fact sent to Matt Burgess in the pro who was working in the Prime Minister's office, because originally it was just he had a document that was printed out and handed to him. Well, now it turns out no, there was an email after all, but it was sent to his personal email account. That looks bad. That that looks like dodgy stuff going on there. But what I would say to you is this this is not unusual, right? Beehive staffers, public servants do this stuff all the time. They they're running a second phone, a lot of them. You'll see them walking around Wellington, two little phones in their hands. Why do you think that is? Hmm. Why is that? That's because number one phone is for the work, number two phone is for can you send that to my personal phone? Thanks very much, Vonterra. That kind of stuff. And they think, and they're running the Gmail accounts as well, and they're running the WhatsApps. This is why I have to get on the WhatsApp, because now everybody's on the WhatsApp with their dodgy information. And they think all of this stuff doesn't get, you know, when when the people come through and they go, Oh, get official information act request, please send all correspondence between yourselves and Fonterra. They think in Wellington that it's not caught by the OIA. Yes, it is, even if it's on your Gmail and your personal phone, but this is how they get around it. They know they're breaking the law, by the way. They just keep on doing it. Um I mean, I think I think actually the conversation we need to have about this is an incredibly dull conversation, which is about reforming the official information act request uh system in the hot and and none of us want to do that. Like we've got our lives are too short for that, but that's where it needs to get to. So, yes, this does look a lot dodgy, and yes, I'm not impressed by it at all. But the missing thing in this story that would probably increase my interest, is if they can connect this to the Prime Minister. Because at this stage, this is just a Matt Burgess problem. And and he's not doing anything unusual in Wellington. Chris Luxon escapes anything here, because it's very plausible to s for him to say, well, I don't really know what Matt's doing with his personal email account. Matt came to me with an idea, I don't know where he got it from. Like that is fair. Um then the final thing, which is an obvious thing to you, is even if even I, who am interested in politics and am interested in the official information act and I'm a complete boring politics nerd. If even I am only mildly interested in this, then you know this is dull as ditch water for the vast majority of New Zealanders. So Chippy, Chippy is I don't know. Might be wasting his time talking about it. Should we ask Jinny that question? Is Chippy what why is Chippy talking about emails when he could be talking about his own policies? Let me write that one down for us for later. Ten away from eight.